Physical commodity trading in Europe
Hi everyone,
我是新手，是意大利美丽的城市中凌晨3:20。请保留所有错误。从我的角度来看，他们是欢迎礼物。
我对欧洲的物理商品交易有一些疑问，尤其是在意大利和德国，因为这是我拥有必要的语言技能的两个国家。
I have a hard time finding jobs / internships to be honest. Does anybody have some experience in Europe and can give me a hint where to start?
我正在完成我的硕士学位不幸的是，在意大利一所优秀的大学中，一所优秀的成绩，有很多国际经验，但没有相关的工作经验。我认为，我有一些工作经验，但是我认为没有进一步帮助的工作。
I have spent some serious late hours reading many of the threads onWSOabout physical commodity trading and I'm aware that even if my ultimate goal is my own PnL in a soft commodity, such as sugar, cocoa, grains etc., I have to do some time in operations etc. AND Now the plot twist: I actually would love to do that work. I got some experience since family members of mine work for a big shipping company that does some commodities in Africa and South America and it always fascinated me.
回到我的问题：欧洲市场如何？小公司，还是大公司？我在哪里可以开始寻找？我应该针对哪些城市？鹿特丹，基因夫，热那亚，汉堡？
Really anything is appreciated if it only contains commodities and Europe, since that seems to be missing onWSO:)
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Dreyfus, ED&F Man & Cargill all offer a structured graduate programme for贸易AGS/欧洲的软。
所有主要公司在日内瓦/阿姆斯特丹/鹿特丹或其他主要城市都设有办事处 - 在几乎所有情况下，工作语言都将是英语，但是拥有这些语言将使您进入这些市场。
其他要考虑的是：
COFCO (no idea if they offer entry level) Glencore Agri (sometimes offer grad roles in Rotterdam) Bunge (not sure they do entry lvl) Olam Barry C ADM
If you struggle to get traction with the big guys there are lots of specialist places that focus on one specific commodity that you'll have to research to find. I'm thinking small sugar producers etc or companies that have carved out a niche in speciality coffee etc.
For what it's worth, ED&F Man are looking for an Italian speaking coffee trading assistant in Genoa - but not sure you have the req. experience without knowing more (I don't work for them, just saw the advert). They also often have roles on their site that aren't widely advertised.
相当确定的ADM在英国具有毕业（商业）轮换角色。新闻是他们目前正在减少欧盟的业务。Neumann Kaffee Gruppe是一家重要的咖啡商人，汉堡在汉堡的办事处，截至14年，收入为27亿美元。他们在28个国家（2000名员工）的OPS拥有咖啡市场的10％。不确定他们的招聘是什么样的，但值得一看，因为您偏爱在德国工作
Ah this is true, and both Cargill & ADM are hiring in the UK at the mo (grads).
Good suggestion on the coffee merchant - you've also got Czarnikow (London) in sugar who have a pretty big market share despite being relatively unknown.
我们正在寻找一个初级人员加入我们的团队 - 如果有兴趣，请给我发消息。
Shiptracker Analyst in Oil Industry A position has come open to join our European distillate team in London as a shiptracker analyst. Role responsibility is to track all ships carrying distillate (diesel, gasoil and jet fuel) across key routes as identified by the team in order to contribute to the global distillate supply and demand analysis. A strong analytical capability and attention to detail are essential, strong computing skills with knowledge of databases, python, VBA and softwares such as Tableau are preferable. This role would be suited to someone who is keen to learn the fundamental market drivers of oil and has a numerate/analytical/coding education and interest, with 0 to 2 years of post-graduation work experience. We are a Commodities贸易company with offices in Europe, US and Asia and the role is within one of the petroleum products' teams.
这些都是很棒的建议。Ed＆F Man是我想到的第一个地方。如果您不说法语，Sucden可能会更加艰难。
Cargill often looks for people in Italy I think
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Hey guys, you helped me a lot. I got swamped by my last exams, but I'll start looking more actively in late June / early July.
我想我有一些我没有考虑的联系人。我的亲戚在一家非常重要的航运公司工作，该公司在很多欧洲工作 - >西非和南美以及背部。好吧，碰巧的是，即使我年轻，我也能在那里实习，即使我年轻时，我也希望我能够将与可可和咖啡行业有良好联系的人的接触与有价值的东西相处。
我想如果我不幸运，我必须走OPS路线，但是我确定我足够聪明，可以尽早和顺利进行过渡。我没有候选人的个人资料贸易firms are looking for...
Another question: How important is French for Cocoa trading? Somebody got an idea?
运输始终是进入商品界的有趣方式。但是，请记住各种类型的海洋货物：
Dry Bulk: Grains, Soybean Meal, Sugar, Coal, Iron Ore, Copper Concentrates, Fertilizer Containers: Coffee, Cocoa, Refined Metals, Cotton Tankers: Oil, Refined Products, Soybean Oil
So if you have a specific commodity in mind make sure you target the right part of the shipping industry. This way you'll make the right contacts and get some specific knowledge on how the relevant business works.
也许你理解我错了。我不想在运输公司找到工作。我希望这个家伙在商品界有一些可靠的联系。我听说Barry Callebaut是一个大客户。
Thanks for the advice though! Haven't thought about the different shipping methods, but I hope they will be irrelevant for my job search ;)
Might also want to look into Trafigura. They have big offices is Geneva, Athens, Moscow....few smaller regional shops scattered across Europe as well. Thanks to their Puma deal, they are now a bigger player in Africa. FWIW I don't think Trafigura does any cocoa business, mainly metals and oil.
I got an internship offer from a smallHF交易主要是商品。我仍在考虑是否接受要约或继续我的学业并等待一家实体商店的报价。
When you say continue your studies, what do you mean exactly? Are you quitting school for this internship?
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I would have sat some exams in January next year instead of September this year.
Anyway, I rejected the offer for various reasons and will write some more applications in the summer.
Based off the info you gave, I would have taken the internship but oh well.
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Hey,
我以为我会快速更新我的搜索：
我刚刚接受了一个中等规模的采访energy tradingHouse and I have a solid feeling about it. I didn't really have much time in the last few months to write applications since I needed to focus on exams. I will now try to use the networking of family members to find something that is more to my liking than short-term energy贸易在a shift pattern (if the job is even offered to me).
The main reason why I rejected the offer: It was not paid. Internships in Italy are often not paid and I'm most definitely not willing to work for free. Other reasons included the necessary relocation and the problems for my exam session...
谢谢您给我扔一些猴子。不知道为什么要这样做，但是如果您的意思是我应该参加实习，那么您可能是对的。
I'm writing some applications and I hear a lot that my CV is very interesting and sometimes even impressive but that there is no real place for me in the firm. I guess my choice to study a Finance Master was not very useful for my career choice. It has been mentioned often here that theoretical knowledge is not so useful for physically贸易柔软，这就是我从许多商店听到的。
有人知道我如何获得更有用的知识并使我的profil更有趣？我已经在学习法语，但这不是一个人可以在6个月内获得的东西。
edit: DIdn't get the offer from the energy shop because they had candidates that already had previous experience in the job...
Maybe somebody is interested how my search went:
在当地的可可和可可产品实习。
I leveraged that with the help of my boss into a Junior Cocoa Trader Role in Rotterdam
I'm very happy that I won't do a Graduate Program. I want true exposure from the start and training on the job.
毫无疑问地开火。
恭喜这个角色！看来您的耐心和网络支付了股息，您就是您想要的地方（尤其是在鹿特丹找到工作）。祝你好运！
Thanks so much starting this thread. This thread is the only piece of information i have seen on physical commodity trading in Europe.
I was a corn/rice farmer in sub-Saharan Africa before coming to Rotterdam to do my masters and I would appreciate any advice you can give me about breaking into the physical commodity trading industry here.
好举动。我建议是发送研究谁贸易RTM（或EU）中的这些产品并跟踪它们。获取可靠的简历，解释您从一开始就知道供应链。
这是非常有价值的，因为大多数TRD/OPS团队都没有这些知识。确保通过向这些交易者发送电子邮件来强调您的个人资料和接近招聘人员/交易者的供应方面。如果您看到任何[电子邮件保护]or[电子邮件保护]甚至[电子邮件保护]or[电子邮件保护]，这些通常是一个小组，许多人会得到您的简历/CL包。
如果您的配置文件足够好（RSM或同等学历，加上供应和良好的成绩），您可能会得到一些答复。祝你好运。
Hi, first of all,恭喜！我认为毕业课程实际上很有用，您知道，旋转一点，看到不同的功能等。我错了吗？另外，您认为跳到交易职位需要很多知识（因为我注意到人们很多时候开始中或后台）？
感谢你们俩。
我认为研究生课程n be useful but if you know where you want to end up, why don't just start right there?
我认为自己在可可业务中并不了解。我相信决心和基本知识就足够了。运气和某些网络可能是必要的。我相信从中间办公室开始是一个很好的选择。问题仍然是，您绕行只会在1 - 3年内导致初中角色。从那里到高级角色，您需要再做几年（我认为3-6）。这是一个绕道，但可能会在您职业生涯的晚些时候给您带来优势。
Makes sense, thanks :)
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