A warning to those aiming for Sell Side Equity Research

After spending 2 years inSSER(BB) I feel like I have a responsibility to let others know the huge pitfalls of starting your career in research. All I'm about to say has been touched on many times on this forum but I thought I'd compile a list to save college kids and folks looking to lateral some time. I get a bunch of networking/chat requests from those two groups and I always try to be very honest about my experience here vs. other associates who embellish a lot of aspects of the role.

Before everyone posts hate comments, I know experiences vary widely. Your time in research will be extremely different to other associates and will ultimately depend on 1 person: your Analyst. However even a great analyst (I am extremely lucky to work for an analyst who doesn't care about facetime or overworking me, gives me full modelling responsibilities and actually considers my opinions on target/recos etc which is very rare) won't make up for all the other issues I lay out below.

1- Your exit opportunities are extremely narrow:

相比IBand strategy consulting, you will have access to about 5% of their exit opps. Realistically,ERassociates can land in either investor relations,MM或者LO buy-side if they're top of the crop and work for a ranked Analyst (a lot of average associates will end up at lesser known LO/retail investment funds with a huge pay cut) or something like corporate banking or aback officerole at the same bank. Your peers inIBwill have the same access to these jobs, plus everything else (PE, corp dev, multi-stratHFS, you name it). SomeER员工会受够了并搬到IBin the same bank but most of them will lose a year or two doing so. Also mostERassociates are 26-33, not an age where you'd start thinking about getting killed inIB

我进入了ERbecause I wanted to go into LO and was very close-minded when it came toIB, I always saw it as gauche/unrefined or not as intellectual because of all the b.sER/value investing propaganda. I have since changed my mind about what I want my long term career path to be but since I choseERas a first step, I don't have that luxury anymore.

Now there will be a select few associates that do end up in atypical roles for their backgrounds but they are far from being a large %. It isn't impossible, just much, much, much harder. The issue is that outside of public equities, very few peopleknow of equity research, what you do as an associate and how valuable your basic skillset can be. Most of the time you have to educate them (yes, I model - probably more thanIB- yes, I build/run M&A models my coverage universe is super acquisitive etc. etc.). Everyone hiring knows aboutIB, plus you get no transaction exposure inER

2- Your compensation will severely lag those of your peers in most other capital markets roles:

Not much to elaborate on here. Base will often be similar or even sometimes nominally higher. Might be different in other shops but most don't get a base bump each year. You only get a base bump when you get promoted to Senior Associate an so on. Your bonus, even top bucket, will pale in comparison to what yourIBPEers make and the rift gets wider as you progress. This is true even if you work more/less the same hours if you're in a hot sector. You're worth less to your bank and thus get paid much less.

3-研究中几乎没有职业发展机会:

As opposed toIB, consulting,PEetc where the career progression is very clear (A1, A2, A3, As 1... VP... MD...), You only get promoted every few years inER和促销活动不代表什么,你仍然做the exact same work. The issue here is that your skill set doesn't grow, meaning your exit opps after year 2 are the same as the ones after year 5. You're basically the same candidate at those two stages. You might get more interactions with clients but that's really it. If your goal is to become an Analyst, you might be waiting for years while they replace those retiring by external hires. An Analyst role opens up only when someone retires or goes to another bank/buy side and if you don't have the sector experience and seniority to fill their shoes then you can wait another 5-10 years. A couple associates at my bank have been waiting their turn for over 10 years. There is not much they could do now other than keep on waiting. Leaving to the buy side would make them lose years worth of time spent in research since they wouldn't get hired as a PM, usually just as a senior analyst, the same role an associate with 2 years of experience would have.

4- It gets very boring very fast:

如果你盖一个部门,你可能将通用电气t exposed to the whole spectrum of corporate actions in 1.5-2 years. The companies you cover will have all raised debt, issued shares, acquired/divested, changed management, raised/cut dividend, you name it. After you learn how to deal with each different scenario, the next one will be very similar. You aren't learning anymore after and it gets boring, regardless of your sector (some get obviously much more boring, I would not be able to do my work if i had to be in mining or ag chem). On the other hand the job gets very easy to do. An equity raise would take me a day to go through with modeling and writing. It'll take me 25mn now to be done and move on to the next thing. A lot of associates get comfortable with this and stay in the role because of that. I know that sentiment is shared inIB, only there you don't get pigeonholed after a while.

5- It gets very lonely very fast:

The only person you will interact with is your Analyst. Sometimes a sales guy and sometimes a client if you're lucky but most analysts take care of all the relationships. It's hard to make friends or a network and there is almost no camaraderie in the bullpen since you never get staffed with other associates and get to work with them.

如果你进入ERbecause you want to remain in public equities, you have to be 1000% sure you will not change your mind. I thought it was the case for me but after working on so many acquisitions and high growth tech names in my coverage universe I've started to findVC/PEmore interesting. My path there will be so much harder than if I didn't cross offIB最初。

对所有的人抱歉ERthat I've offended and best of luck

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  • Analyst 1inER
Jan 21, 2022 - 8:37pm

我们当然都有偏见,但我的经验是不同的。让我们从我的同意开始。标题和排名真的没关系。一旦您看到了这一切,工作就会变得重复。从技术知识的角度来看,实际上最多需要1年才能知道副总裁或以上的所有内容。当然,区别是经验和行业知识,但随着时间的流逝。我也同意,进步充其量可能会有些慢一点,至少在我的团队中,缺乏对好与坏同事的认可。IB关心顶部或底部的水桶。在ER看来,只要您有点工作,您就会获得同样的回报。

Now to my disagreements. I don't think pay is lagging, at least if you're in the right place. I am in my first year and all in all getting $150k. My friends that went intoIBare making $100k+$50-80k. I am barely making less money and yet my work hours have been anywhere from 30-60 hours with the average probably right around 40 hours. My friends inIBare easily working 80-120 hours. Nobody wants to stay inIBand they leave toPE,HFand so forth at the same time that I would. Sure, exits aren't good if you want to go intoPE但是一个开始的人ERmost likely doesn't care aboutPE。I joinedER到either stay or move toHF/LO, so I don't care about any other exits and frankly I don't think anyone should start inERunless they want to keep working inER或转到买方。ERfeeds intoHF/LO much more than any other industry.

  • Analyst 1inER
Jan 23, 2022 - 11:52pm

TMT

Take what I say with a grain of salt given my lack of full knowledge.

Simply said, I don't think anything changes. As a matter of fact, I would even argue you perhaps have better exits as a junior. Take for example aHF,如果他们已经有购买方面的经验,他们只会招募PM。你不能成为副总裁ERand then get a risk taking position on the buy-side. In terms of IR you might fare better as knowledge is more easily transferable and can take up top position. I don't think I would go intoERpost-MBA unless I plan to stay.

2022年1月22日 - 12:46 AM

Telling the truth abouterwill really upset those users.

I made a comment earlier on whyIBgets compensated better thanERand still get hate messages to this day from people lol.

Jan 22, 2022 - 2:24pm

Oh I see, being real isn't ok if the comment is "hurtful", didn't realize I had to be nice when posting obvious info.

如果您讨厌自己的compERyou shouldn't blame others, you should try to hustle and change your job.

  • Analyst 1inIB - Gen
Jan 22, 2022 - 2:32pm

again, the issue is u confidently post blatantly false info on topics you clearly know nothing about. you coming across as a douchebag is just funny

Jan 22, 2022 - 2:36pm

So I sayIB付款不仅仅是ER, and I'm just a jerk and wrong.

OP posts the same thing and you agree with him.

makes perfect sense. Shocked your just a junior analyst with such comprehension skills lol.

  • Analyst 1inIB - Gen
Jan 22, 2022 - 3:22pm

Smoke Frog股票研究是任何人都可以做的事情,您不需要与公司建立关系。而且您不会带来任何收入

Equity research is where people who couldn't get into banking go or people who want to eventually move into banking but can't get in at first.

The OP asked my ER pay is lagging. It's cause you don't pay the second tier people, that's why.

IB的报酬比ER更好,因为这项工作更艰巨,需要更多的人才。工资反映了这一点。

快速摘要您传播的一些明显的虚假信息。没有人不同意IB付款不仅仅是ERsince it more directly brings in more revenue. But the stuff you've claimed is wrong and stupid

Jan 22, 2022 - 8:52am

This post is classic Dunning-Kruger effect. OP, I felt similarly two years in. If you're going to stay, you should ask for lead coverage on a few stocks.

  • 副2inER
Jan 22, 2022 - 12:48pm

我认为你的经验是wh的高度反光的at bank/analyst you work for. I graduated from a top target, work for a HoF analyst... have nothing but positive experiences to cite personally. Got a 40k bonus my first year post-college and a 30k base raise. I have good exposure to the Tigers and every other good fund through my MD. On average though, I'd sayIB>ER,但是如果您获得一个好的座位,您会很冷却(与S&T相同)

  • VPinER
Jan 22, 2022 - 9:31pm

I agree with OP, that is just the reality, believe or not. Having said that, it still makes sense for some people to enter the industry, for example, working in biotechERreasearch with a Ph.D. in Biology.

  • VPinER
Jan 22, 2022 - 9:48pm

biotech is very hot right now, compensation is higher than covering other sectors; having a PhD is an advantage in the biotech world, compared to other alternatives like doing scientific research,ER赔偿还不错

Jan 23, 2022 - 2:57pm

How easy is it to cover your own stocks?

I have been applying to someERgroups at some boutiques. There is one firm that is tech/software focused that I have some connections and old classmates at. Could I tell them straight up i want to cover my own sector (video games/interactive entertainment)? Some of the analysts at this boutique have been promoted to analyst after only 2 years

  • VPinER
Jan 25, 2022 - 7:46pm

That's very true, I know a guy who was anERassociate and got laid off. After 6 months of job searching, he started at Berenberg as a covering analyst, covering a sector in which he did not have too much knowledge.

  • Analyst 1inER
Jan 25, 2022 - 12:13am

It 100% depends on the group. I would say the busier the team the more likely it is to get coverage early on.

Jan 23, 2022 - 3:09pm

What OP said is 100% true.

而且您应该比较30岁的CompERassociates that he mentioned vs. a similar 30 year old banker or VP inPE。那就是薪酬差距为您带来的地方。到那时,您通常会陷入困境,再次回荡OP

  • Analyst 2inIB-M&A
Jan 23, 2022 - 4:12pm

Just to add another POV, I think this is all very team dependent.

在到pERteams in hot sectors where your senior analyst has a client list made up of top LOs/HFSonce you start covering stocks or interacting with these clients you should have a very good chance of recruiting with these funds. LOs opps are obvs dominated byER。ForHFS,确保绝对数字您可能会看到更多ibPEople, but considering moreib招募HFSgiven the larger base relative toERmy observation is that the chance of getting intoHFSis quite similar between the two. Further an issue in this forum is the circle-jerk over tiger cubs which areib/PEexclusive so people just assume the best funds are only available fromib。This forgets about the many other funds with great unit economics but smaller scale which recruit from eitherER或者IB或者exclusivelyER。Unless you are tiger or bust, top funds are avaible for both

I agree, no name places and crap teams in rubbish sectors will have a horrible time. But surely thats the same as a crap bank, sht sector and zero deal flowib团队?

Overall, dont doERif you want maximum optionality in exit opp or if you want to stick to a sell side role with highest expected value of comp. Do doERif you know you want to exit to LOs or you're happy landing a greatHF不是老虎的地方。就个人而言,对于那些知道他们想在两年后退出公共股票的人来说,ER角色)我说ERis a better choice given WLB, general market learnings and direct interaction with funds

Jan 25, 2022 - 12:24am

Hey I think there are some great points here. I never worked in SSER, but work in LO today, and I would say of my class, it's almost 50/50IBvs.ERfor our股票研究Associate Analystprogram. I think it's awesome if you want to go into LO, but I think people entering the space is that the exist toPEjust won't be available. Also, I appreciate you calling out this forum for its obsession with Tiger Cubs, which nobody ever wants to do.

Overall, better work life balance, similar comp, and solid exits

2022年1月24日 - 上午11:01

FYI I think a lot of this is probably less true for Europe (by which I mainly mean London) - look at the backgrounds of the partners at the 'brand name' SMHFSin London and you'll see a lot of them started out in SSER。From my experience generally the London offices of all the big banks are a bit less hierachical than the US ones and there is plenty of scope for you to progress rapidly if you can demonstrate you are good. E.g. I joined SSER直接从本科生出来,并在12个月后获得了客户覆盖,然后我自己的子领域要覆盖2年后(然后在3次后跳到购买侧座位)。您会发现,仍然刚刚从事职业的5 - 6年工作的人少得多 - 我是因为“部门负责人”的规范是保留其行业8-10个最大股票的覆盖范围,然后将其他股票委派给其他股票。对于团队成员而言,与美国分析师不同,他们似乎喜欢覆盖20-30多种股票。

If you're getting stock & client coverage then you're getting experience developing, pitching and defending an investment thesis, which is going to be the #1 most important thing you need if you're going to start interviewing for the buy side.

Comp points are fair. For me work-life-balance was a much more important factor in my early 20s.

Jan 24, 2022 - 3:21pm

Sorry it sounds like you have had such a lousy experiment and are jaded by it.

At the end of the day, your success is determined by your attitude. I know several people who have gone from SSERPE/VC(especially SS teams very heavy into the banking side w/IPOs, etc.), and what separated them was not having a bad attitude. You don't get people to like you being whiny. Network your butt off and make good contacts, and don't wait for anyone to do it for you. That is they key to making it in this business.

Good luck in future endeavors.

Jan 24, 2022 - 3:48pm

在这里完全同意,这不是我向互联网上的陌生人抱怨。我已经拥有自己的选择,并且正在竭尽所能,以最终成为我想要的地方。只是以为我会为尚未在行业中的人们带来一些启示。

About your point though, I've been hammered byIPOsone after the other since May 2020 so pretty heaving into the banking side as you said. How have your friends leveraged that to get ahead? The issue is that most of the work is done "behind the wall" with very limited and constantly chaperoned communication with banking and pre-ipo investors given regulatory risk, so not much space to build a network there. Appreciate any insights and thanks for giving your opinion.

Jan 24, 2022 - 4:12pm

Perhaps it's different at aBB(I know my new Analyst came from aBB并说是muchdifferent) but at myMM商店we are heavily involved w/ bankers/privates. It is constant communication daily w/ the banking side (chaperoned, obviously) and constant dialogue with private companies. That being the case, former associates on the team have attracted the attention of notablePE/VCfirms because of this unique experience. Of course, this is all case-by-case.

I understand where you're coming from on the deal side - we've been involved with >2 dozen in the last 18 months and I can only imagine how draining that must be with being fully behind the wall.

  • Research AssociateinER
Jan 26, 2022 - 3:26pm

2.5y inERin a dynamic sector and you are absolutely spot on. Pulling 70-80h weeks on the reg (earnings can be north of 90h albeit I cover two regions) and being severely undercompensated (monetarily and non monetarily) vs sales traders IBankers can get very demotivating especially after the learning curve starts to flatten

Jan 27, 2022 - 1:40am

For a firstFTgig out of school you get to cover a broad-ish base of basics both technical/hard skills and soft skills (how to cold call clients for mktg, navigate awkward conversations etc, staying organised with data etc)

  • 副1inIB -COV
Jan 26, 2022 - 7:15pm

Are salestraders paid well?

2022年1月26日 - 11:28 pm

From someone that did 2 years inERat a topBB, this is dead on. Every single one of the points: the repetitive/boring work, learning everything about your industry after 18 months, the comp, limited range of exit opportunities (can't move intoPEand others), the loneliness, everything.

Switched toIBlast year and heading to UMMPEthis summer. LeavingERwas the best decision I ever made.

  • ProspectinPE - LBOs
Jan 27, 2022 - 1:26am

To add one more thing: maybe I am just not smart enough. It is frustrating that the sales or some clients expect you on spot to know every little detail of 20 some companies you cover and their competing programs. It is not like you walk into a presentation and you can defend 20 slides. Questions can come out of nowhere…of course you can always dodge gracefully…

2022年1月27日 - 下午3:08

100% agreed. Happens to everyone - it's impossible to know every tidbit of information about a company. Always frustrated me when sales / clients would ask opaque questions with little relevance.

  • 初级交易者inS&T - Comm
Mar 11, 2022 - 4:24pm

I just started inER, do you have any tips because my end goal really is morePE/VC? Should I lateral after a year into IB?

Jan 30, 2022 - 6:35am

I have some junior friends inER, and they agree with most of what you say. However really enjoy working inIPOssince every case is different and you learn about a new company etc, not too far from theIB工作。

Have you worked on anyIPOs, is it fun?

Feb 7, 2022 - 8:23pm

I have on quite a few and they're right it is much better than the daily stuff. Much more demanding though so there's a point of diminishing returns after a bunch in a row.

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