Mar 14, 2018 Mar 14, 2018

Favorite qualities of people you disliked?

Layne Staley - Certified Professional
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I was inspired byAPAE's latest prompt to theCertified User baseand thought I'd add my own.TippyTop11，，，，威士忌5，@eddie Braverman”，BreakingOutOfPWM，，，，@I'm done",DickFuld，，，，@Dances With Newfoundland",idaho，，，，and many others, this one's for you:

直到最近我的职业生涯才发现自己能够在二进制规模之外看到专业环境的人。过去，随着时间的流逝，我会决定人们要么“好”，令人印象深刻，值得效仿和学习，要么“坏”，并且要避免。

I think this is a terrible idea. All people, it turns out, are collections of traits and skills, some of which I personally will find positive and others I won't. Whether or not they are, on the balance, net one way or the other doesn't prevent them from having strong skills worth learning from. I effectively locked myself out of studying and evaluating positive, productive traits in people I didn't like, and for anyone trying to continually learn and better themselves, this is an unnecessary self-handicap.

I'll give an example: I had a partner once that I really did not see eye-to-eye with. He was not a "details" guy, and got uncomfortable with analysis because at its core he couldn't keep up. He didn't mind changing facts, and he didn't mind cutting a corner or skirting a boundary if he thought it might help. He put us in some tight spots with his approaches. I quickly added him to my "bad" bucket and tried to minimize my contact with him.

But looking back, I wish I could have gone with him to take clients to dinner more times. The guy was an absolute master storyteller, and could hold a room with sheer force of personality better than anyone I've ever met. Even if I didn't like how he went about all of his work, I could have learned a ton by paying better attention when he was doing the thing he did best.

So now, your turn: what was something you liked or admired about a person that, overall, you didn't care for?

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2018年3月14日 - 7:30 AM
oopsies
"Son, life is hard. But it's harder if you're stupid." - my dad
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2018年3月14日——9:16am
For me it's a list of things below: * They are vague with what方案或结果they want to see in an analysis or model. It's frustrating because no matter what I model they wanted to see something else. * Unorganized * Unaccountable for their actions * Late * Messy * Fail to start meetings on time or end on time, also have an agenda to run the meeting or don't invite me * Always trying to steal minutes of your time * -Blowhards or long winded in meetings saying things that are obvious or already known. Yes I know lean manufacturing is something to strive for in this industry on this deal we are evaluating * Use sentences of clichés. "net-net of that number" "let's take that offline" "Boil the ocean" * Don't have a plan for their life or career * Wear crocs with socks * Gossip at the office It's funny you mention two categories of people: good and bad. I do the same, I associate with the high performers (good) and avoid the low performers (bad) when possible.
26 Broadway where's your sense of humor?
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Mar 14, 2018 - 9:25am
。..i don't think you read the question
"Son, life is hard. But it's harder if you're stupid." - my dad
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2018年3月14日 - 上午9:44
哦，你把我扔了一个循环。我的错。对我来说，我希望我有GAB的礼物 - 我鄙视必须与这些人合作，但是对于网络而言，这会对我有很大帮助。
26 Broadway where's your sense of humor?
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Mar 14, 2018 - 11:21am
我认为意识到每个人都有好和坏品质的想法比实际示例更为重要，因为它们通常不那么有趣。就是说，这里有一些例子：骗局：在对错误或成就的责任责任时可能是重复的：对行业非常有知识，并且详细介绍的骗局：真的很无聊地拍摄狗屎；谈论他的孩子和妻子与大学毕业的人太多：努力工作和谦虚的骗局：模仿您整天在做什么：非常愿意学习什么，并且是一个很好的团队合作者真正回答您的问题，因为我不强烈不喜欢这些人。关键的主意不是在想“他妈的那个家伙”，而是想“他妈的那个家伙，但该死的他擅长于xyz”。
由:Certified Investment Banking Professional - 2nd Year Associate Certified Investment Banking Pro
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Mar 14, 2018 - 2:13pm
Couldn't agree more. In real estate development, for instance, almost everyone is there for a reason. They might be absolutely awful at one aspect of the job, but you don't get a position in a lean company unless you bring something to the table, even if that "something" is as nebulous as your "connections" i.e. your dad is in the industry and didn't want to hire you directly so he got one of his CEO buddies to hire you instead. It's very easy to look at someone, roll your eyes, and say "yeah he might be good at running a job but he's a shit manager" or "yeah he can sell snow to a snowman but he doesn't understand operations at all" or "yeah he can model a deal in his sleep but he doesn't know shit about the actual finishes in a unit," especially in a competitive environment, It's more important, however, to look at what they actually excel at and try to learn from them, not on an overall level, but on their specific strengths. It's also incredibly important to analyze yourself that way in an effort to improve on your own weaknesses. I'm honestly pretty bad at focusing on peoples' strengths and struggle with being a highly critical person. On one hand, being a highly critical person is a great skill to have when analyzing deals, or doing a punch walk, or reviewing marketing strategies, etc. It has helped me tremendously in life. However, if you ask some of my coworkers, while I doubt anyone hates me, I guarantee they describe me as a negative person, because I always see the negative and don't keep that shit to myself. I have to consciously avoid being a toxic person to be around and avoid coming off that way as much as possible and I admittedly haven't mastered it yet. I'm also really good at being an "ideas guy" with zero regard to execution. Perhaps in a president or CEO, this isn't a terrible trait, but in a guy at the bottom to middle of the totem pole, it's pretty obnoxious. My job is literally to execute on ideas, not just brainstorm constantly. I've made it a point when I have some grand scheme to keep my mouth shut about it until I figure out how to make it work and have found much more success as a result. Don't ever think of yourself as above reproach. When you're casually bitching about your coworkers that aren't in your happy hour crew, there's a solid chance they're casually bitching about you in theirs.

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3月14日，2018年-9：07 pm
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以这种方式进行分析以改善自己的弱点，这也非常重要。
It's always good to try to improve your weaknessess. That being said, the further I've gotten into my career, the more i've realized that it's important to be in a role where your strengths are the most important to succeeding in your role and your weaknesses don't matter all that much. It's also easier to do this later in your career because you can hire people that have strengths where you don't. If you're in a role where your weaknesses are key to success, I would suggest changing roles. Written words don't always come across as you'd hope, so my comment is meant to provide additional context to your comment....I don't disagree with what you wrote.
From Non-Target to BB CEO: My Story去他妈的自己。
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Mar 14, 2018 - 1:26pm
有些人对其他人来说是鸡巴 /卑鄙的人，我讨厌这一点，但我钦佩他们直接达到重点，并且对他们的感受没有任何困惑。
Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
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2018年3月14日 - 10:12 PM
While at one of my jobs post-undergrad, there was an employee I learned a lot from for two reasons: his heart was in the right place to become a high-performing employee, but his approach was terrible. He reminded me of Jake Gyllenhall in the movie Nightcrawler - a socially awkward guy who read a shit load of self help books or "7-habits of highly effective people" type stuff before he took the job. His intentions, which I learned a lot from, were as follows: * Keep your network up to date & consistently be getting face time with those that you hope to establish mutual-beneficial relationships with * Look for ways to create efficiencies with internal processes * Develop relationships internally with those on separate teams/functions However, with each of these lessons, he also provided an additional lesson: * As a junior level employee, your job is to get physical work done and not to spend time networking with anyone who will take a lunch with you. Your first priority should be to get your actual job done first - then network on the side if you have time (again, this is at the junior level). There were often times he was late to something or we had to work around his schedule so he could have a two hour lunch or an early morning breakfast on the other side of town. Not the type of value-add our manager was looking for. * Don't annoy the shit out of everyone when trying to make themodel template more dynamic。他会不断地要求人们对我们的方法thought would help improve the model, only to tell us he either already thought of that or it couldn't be done. Being the go-to guy for a new model or project management app the team is using can be extremely valuable. Just don't be a pain in the ass to gain adoption of it so it makes you look good. * This was the first time I realized the importance of having senior level people on other teams know you and like you. It is these people who often provide unsolicited feedback about you to the person that you report to. Good opinions here go a long way to helping your higher-up have a sanity check about you. The problem here with my example is he would go out of his way to own these relationships over other people. A director on anther team reached out to the both of us clearly asking us both to help on a new project. This guy went out of his way to tell me he could handle it solo, only to not relay that to the director. I followed up with the director to let him know that the other going to handle it solo (knowing that this guy was trying to force me out) and the director was more annoyed than I was because he specifically asked for the both of us to work on it - it didn't take long for him to catch onto what game the other guy was trying to play. It was a great example of someone overplaying their hand when it was totally unnecessary and leaving a bad impression on someone he would not have many more chances to make good ones with. Keep in mind all of this was going on within his first year with the firm..... Good lessons: from idea, to execution.
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