European Masters Ranking | 2020
Hey guys,
As I've spotted an increasing number of questions related to European master's degree programs forIB,PE, andMBBplacement, I've decided to prepare a ranking that would guide potential candidates. I am open to your comments, and after a discussion, I will make a final update of the classification.
Tier 0:(academic): Cambridge, Oxford,LSE
Tier 0:(practical): HEC Paris,LBS, Bocconi
Tier 1:Imperial, HSG, UCL
Tier 2:项目,如华威、ESSEC ESADE
Tier 3:RSM, SSE, EDHEC, WHU, Cass, EMLyon, Paris Dauphine, IMD
I am looking forward to your comments and suggestions for improvements :)
Comments (60)
Hate to be this guy, but you need to provide some more context on how you got to some of these. You can find plenty of rankings from sources likeQSorFT. You can also look at LinkedIn. But I'll bite and based on your rankings here are some broad comments:
For London, in what world is MIT on par with the others in the first bucket? Yes, MIT is great but by no means places as well or even similarly to the others in LondonIB.
Not sure if you realize the size and quality of the Bocconi network in London. It is miles ahead of HSG and UCL and quite a bit ahead of ICL. Would put it withLBSand HEC
No offence to our Norther European friends, but SSE and RSM need to either be in a tier of their own or one below. Not comparable to the others you have in Tier 2
WTF is IMD? Googled it but honestly never heard of it before. No offence again, but would not put it in Tier 2 and am struggling to make it fit in Tier 3 too. Find me LinkedIn proof that says otherwise
I was also thinking about points 3, and 4 but decided to be a bit less harsh. Let's see other comments on that. Bocconi goes up, fair point is that it should be 'Tier 0.5' as something between but let's apply premium due to potential move of financial hub from London to continental Europe after Brexit. MIT deleted, let's stick with European schools.
These rankings rarely make sense in terms of tiers and usually made by people who attended one school and base the rest on hearsay. In any case, as I was once faced with the decision myself, I will give my (probably biased, because we all are) input, in case someone in doubt should find this thread. The below is based on placement, because in the end that is what matters to most people on this forum (and thus not whether you enjoy London life or academics).
-Cambridge doesn't make sense on this list, they don't have any "career-focused" master within finance, the Mphil Finance is targeted people who want to do research. The Finance & Economics Master is also a relatively small programme.
-Oxford MFE arguably the top choice in Europe withLBSMFA andLSEMSc Finance (& Private Equity) following just behind.
-I see MIT was removed, but top candidates are usually deciding between MIT and Oxford, definitely possible to recruit for Europe with the MIT Master in Finance, and it's a highly regarded programme. Only downside is the extra cost and you can't do a summer internship the year before as it starts quite early.
-Bocconi only on par with the others for Italians.
I would drop Cambridge, Bocconi, HEC Paris to Tier 1 to leave the top 3 UK (LSE,LBS, Oxford) at Tier 0.
Looking at this year's summer placement ofLBSstudents I'd be cautious about such move.
Also, I don't get the idea of distinguishing between "academic" and "practical" tiers. What does it stand for? Maybe the author should clarify if he aims at ranking the schools by placement/ quality of teaching etc.
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Intern 1 - these schools are hardly comparable due to the different preparation of students model (academic- you get overall knowledge and open-minded thinking, your aim is to learn,practical- your aim is to get a job without focusic much on schooling per se. Therefore as these schools have similar prestige, I decided to divide it in to these categories for potential candidates, so that they could understand the difference.
For business school alone? Oxbridge are by far the best in the UK and perhaps Europe.
UCL might be pretty good for undergrad but their Master's degree doesn't compete with the rest of tier 1. Drop one, perhaps two tiers
Here is how I perceive the different European schools for London:
Tier 1: Oxford >LBS,LSE
Tier 1.5: HEC, Bocconi, Imperial, Cambridge
Tier 2: HSG, IE, SSE, ESCP, ESSEC, ESADE
Tier 3: CBS, RSM, Warwick, Cass, WHO
Could potentially put Oxford in a tier of its own, and left MIT out since it's not European.
There is no way you can generalize a Master's at Oxford to be superior toLSEorLBS...
The only course at Oxford that rivals the two is the MFE.
It's also widely known that Master's students at Oxbridge are not as highly regarded as the undergraduates, especially when you go beyond the MFE (due to the fact that undergraduate courses are much more competitive than postgraduate). I think it would be misleading to imply that it is the number one Master's school on its' own, as your ranking suggests.
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Naturally you would focus on the top programmes targetedIBfor these rankings, I think that is implicit in the ranking. Otherwise you delve into a mass of programmes not relevant to banking (I don't think anyone would argue that LSE's ranking here should be based on how good its MSc Marketing is for getting you into banking).
Not sure where this "Master's students at Oxbridge are not as highly regarded as the undergraduates" comes from. Master's students at Oxbridge have entirely different goals compared to undergrads (many continue on to a Dphil), and I think it is a bit weird to claim they are less valuable when their purpose is entirely different compared to that of a Master atLSEorLBS.
Basing on the MFE therefore appears accurate (which is arguably a stronger programme thanLBS/LSEalthough those are also solid programmes).
Lifeless Banker, when I ranked these schools I was ranking based on their flagship program forIBand London, I guess I could have specified that and will edit the post. I view the Oxfords MFE as marginally better thanLBSandLSE, and I believe that view is recognized in the UK.
If we are talking about flagship programmes, the only thing you may gain with the MFE is the Oxford brand.
If you're taking a perspective of people who work inIBDMFE之间的差异,MFA或MSc菲南ce is non-existent, they're all great courses. But I think it's also important to consider the wider range of courses that place when selecting an institution for a Master's. For example,LBSgets excellentBBplacement from the MiM and MFA. Flagship programmes narrow the scope too much because there are plenty of Master's programmes that have good placement.
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Fair enough, your point about it's more a generalization into tiers than ranking individual schools is right. It is too close to differentiate from those three schools (Oxford,LBS, LSE), as they are all very competitive. The original post had too many schools in the first tier, so I moved some down to tier 1.5 that are less competitive compared to those three.
How do you thinkLSEA&F ranks ?
I think this thread by Pan European Monkey is the best one to gauge how good the courses are;
//www.xinhe369.com/forums/european-masters-rankings
You'll have a good chance atBBand EB's with A&F at LSE!
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Cheers for the plug mate. Was about to say that this thread is a goldmine already
Do you think it will give be a decent chance for Portfolio Management jobs as well?
Tier 0: (academic): Cambridge, Oxford,LSE
Tier 0: (practical): HEC Paris,LBS, Bocconi
Tier 1: Imperial, HSG, UCL, SSE, RSM
Tier 2: ESCP, IE, Warwick, ESSEC, ESADE
Tier 3: EDHEC, WHU, Cass, EMLyon, Paris Dauphine, IMD.
Both SSE and RSM should be ranked higher/equal to than ESCP, ESSEC and IE (and are way better than EDHEC, EMLyon, Paris Dauphine etc) . These schools are good for London but lacks the superior status that RSM/SSE has in their regions. SSE/RSM are on par with or slightly below HSG and Bocconi.
HEC, Bocconi, and Cambridge should not be in tier 0, and I agree that SSE and RSM should be higher.
Why do you think so? Based onFTrankings and placement, there is no considerable discrepancy between these unis andLSE/LBS(maybe Bocconi somewhere between). It's not a tuition fees ranking :p
FTranking is terribly inaccurate.
Tier 1: Oxford (MFE),LBS(MFA), LSE(MFin)
Tier 2: Bocconi (MFin), HEC Paris (MIF), Imperial (MFin)
Tier 3: ESCP, ESSEC, Warwick, ESADE, IE, HSG, RSM
TIer 4: SSE, Cass, WHU, EDHEC
How would you rank Imperial IWM andLSE实习吗?
我很好的课程O but not the best at their respective schools. AtLSE, MSc Finance and MSc Finance and Private Equity would be the best followed up by A&F. So if someone does not get into their MFin courses A&F is a solid alternative. I would probably place A&F in tier 2 at par with Imperial MFin or just slightly above it due to the solidLSEbrand and the strong networking opportunities that come with it.
我不太确定bout Imperial IWM. IMO it is a decent course but nothing too great. ICBS would still be considered a tier 2 business school in the UK (behindLBS, Said, LSE) in terms of prestige and coupling that with the fact that IWM is not their best or even top two course certainly causes IWM to fall into a tier 4 course IMO.
Tier 1:LBS, Oxford >LSE
Tier 2 HEC > Bocconi, Imperial
Tier 3LSEaccfin, ESCP, ESSEC, HSG, SSE > Wariwck > RSM, Edhec
Tier 4 Cass, WHU. IE. CBS, Nova
Pretty accurate. I'd upgrade IE with RSM and EDHEC, and I'd also add Esade too.
我认为应该在一级剑桥。同时,RSMnd SSE should be placed at least (minimum) with the Spanish and French schools if not higher.
What course at Cambridge?
Mphil finance
oxfords masters are wildly overrated because its 'oxford,' and the people that hype it up are usually not from the UK.LBSpost-experience Masters in Finance is no 1 on many rankings
post-exp MFin is more of anMBAprogram hyperfocused on finance rather than a typical masters in finance program FYI
LBS(MFA) = Oxford (MFE) >LSE(MSc Finance)
That's nitpicking mate. All 3 place very well.
Why do you think thatLBSMFA places better thanLSEMiF?
I would say the three are on the same level honestly
All three are great courses and will get your foot in the door at any of theIB. All three courses are different in many ways, which is great as it allows students to pick the course which better fits their background and personality. Picking anyone of the three courses over the other two purely on placement or their prestige level would be stupid IMO. At the end of the day it boils down to which course you prefer and how well you can utilise the course and network to secure a position at anIB. No one course is better or worse, all three are great courses offered at top tier business schools.
Seems to work well forIB/PEand/or London. Overall EUMBBwould look different - Warwick lower, HSG and arguably WHU higher, EMLyon likely out among others.
Yep, I suppose that 70% of studnets goes to banking and therefore much more weight is put onIBplacement
I don't disagree - just the OP mentioningIB,PE&MBB.IB&PEare very similar from my perspective, justMBBsometimes working a bit differently.
Would be curious to see a non-Business school EU ranking with the likes of Polytechnique, ETH, KIT, Politecnico, Sciences Po, etc.
Are MBA's seen in any different ways? I am coming from a Tier 3/4 school on this list, but haven't really had problems with HHs in London, but in the US nobody knows my school.
Of course, MBA's are very different from this list. For instance INSEAD which is not even on this list would be somewhere at the top
For EuropeanMBAs, there are two that are far above the others, and that'sLBSand INSEAD.
HOW ABOUT MBA? Can I have a rank too?
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