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I recently interviewed with a firm in which I feel like I MIGHT have been discriminated against.

Quick background, I'm a finishing up my first year at aMF, don't rlly like the crazy hours any longer and was looking to jump ship to a shop that's still reputable but a bit more lax on hours. I've been interviewing with a few (4) different firms and have made it to at least the modeling test on all besides one. I'm a black dude, never cried diversity but I feel like something is definitely off with this firm, and of course it's the one I wanted the most. I passed the phone screen and was invited to the next round in person. Felt I did amazingly well in the in-person round, but was told I didn't make it to the modeling portion of the interview process. Maybe I fucked up somewhere, but I did some digging and this firm has 3/300 minority employees across the whole country, and all are women. Am I bugging for thinking that's why I didn't make the cut to next round or does this type of thinking still exist within our industry?

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  • Analyst 2inRE - Comm
Aug 25, 2021 - 6:42pm

Yes it's definitely tough out there. Thank you for sharing your perspective, always appreciated

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Aug 26, 2021 - 9:33am
CRE, what's your opinion? Comment below:

在这个行业中,歧视肯定仍然存在。就是说,也许您根本没有通过建模测试。很难说。只要继续磨削,并知道公司确实拥有这种文化,它可能不是您首先要工作的地方。

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Aug 26, 2021 - 12:47pm
prospie, what's your opinion? Comment below:

1 sue for millions

2 broadcast the process everywhere you possibly can including building a big social media following

3 do a 180 to some other RE product type where you won't have to worry about your reputation within the hallowed halls of high finance

4 raise money from your new audience and build a massive portfolio and a new life

  • Associate 1inRE - Comm
Aug 26, 2021 - 1:56pm

I mean if this firm is literally 297 white men and 3 white women, I would be shocked.

I have definitely seen all white male teams, but it's generally smaller groups (like 10 people). A firm of that scale being 99% white men is definitely odd

  • DeveloperinRE - Comm
Aug 26, 2021 - 5:47pm

And I'm sure the women资产管理工作or HR. Welcome to real estate in Amerikkka. This prevalent in real estate. Get used to it. I have literally felt like this way at least dozen times in my career.

我不会住在this too much, because it probably wouldn't have been the right fit anyway. It's a numbers game. Keep knocking. The company that is right for you will let you in!

  • DeveloperinRE - Comm
Aug 27, 2021 - 3:59pm

阅读整个线程。他说有一个低每centage of women at the firm. All I'm saying is through my research more often than not minorities and specifically minority women are in HR and asset management. Hell no they're not pawns but more often than not that's the position that they been caste into. Sorry the data offends you. Your denial of the data that's out there is truly offensive. And that's the problem! As a black man that has struggled to get a footing in real estate at times, I totally sympathize with the poster. But with anything if you really want to get it you have to realize the truth and push through it!

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2021年11月9日 - 2:25 AM
COAK, what's your opinion? Comment below:

作为女性工业经纪人,我可以说这些评论没有错。我在一家前三家公司工作,并在几年前首次开始时被告知:“我们支持女性,我们的资产管理团队拥有出色的女性经理”。他们还鼓励我做MF. No one encouraged my desire to only do industrial...but surprise, here I am.

Yes, those women worked their asses off and are proud to be asset managers. The problem is you have to step over those around you, and above you, to do what you want.

At the end of the day, I am glad to say my clients don't care that I am a woman. Nor do I ever feel treated differently than my male colleagues by clients.

It Is that invisible line that is the problem. Once you've crossed it, no one cares what your race, gender, or ethnicity is. They care that you are good, that you are the best. But you have to cross that line. It does exist, and there are many gatekeepers. But once you cross it, those gatekeepers become your ally's. They have no choice. Give them no choice.

  • Associate 2inRE - Comm
Nov 10, 2021 - 10:45am

REPE, on average, takes much less intellectual horsepower than traditional private equity or other investing professions. For this reason, firms often prioritize fit / cultural compatibility over raw talent.

This can often come across as discrimination to a candidate's perspective. I am a minority and felt that way a couple times when I was interviewing in the Bay Area. Ultimately, though, I felt it was more a cultural compatibility issue than race-related. I'm from the East Coast and the firm's entire team was laidback West Coast white dudes. Conversely, I interviewed for a纽约investment firm and had a perfect cultural match with the preppy, intense white people.

Nov 10, 2021 - 11:18am
Manila340, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Welcome to real estate, if you're black they'll only accept you if you're an athlete or white washed. Sorry to be cynical but it is what it is

您没有烦恼,少数民族在美国的一生都感到这件事。只要尝试看到人的好处,这是您可以通过不疲倦的狗屎而获得的唯一途径

Nov 12, 2021 - 3:50pm
FishOil099, what's your opinion? Comment below:

On a net basis right now, being a minority is a plus, not a minus in the job search.

For every 1 small private firm that is not "diverse" (or gatekeeps based off the "old school boys" network) there are 10 that are looking to push diversity on their investments team as a talking point to investors.

我不会住在it and move on.

If anything, being a white male is harder than being a minority/women when it comes to finding a job in real estate right now.

Nov 12, 2021 - 7:49pm
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